Julian and his French wife Sophie live in Brisbane and engaged in surrogacy in Ukraine in 2019. Their daughter was born in Kiev in late May 2020 amidst the Covid-19 lockdown. With no air access to Ukraine, Sophie dashed to her home city of Paris to be closer to the her surrogate. As France refused to help her with travel permission to enter Ukraine, her husband Julian instead gained permission to enter Ukraine via Belarus. At the last minute Sophie was smugggled into the country, just in time for the birth. Their story captured the attention of media in both France and Australia. Julian will discuss the experience of travel during Covid lockdown and the current state of surrogacy in Ukraine.