In March 2013 Clinton took up his sisters offer to carry a child for him and his partner Callum. This meant investment in legal and psychological counselling for not only Rhiannon and themselves, but her ex-partner. As well, they’d need to find an egg donor (no easy task) and stump up for Rhiannon’s IVF costs. Rhiannon carried for them again in 2016. Clinton discusses dealing with ‘the system’, learnings and tips to make things work.